This is one of three closely related devas or builders. The other two are Agnisuryans and Agnishvattas. These create in the three worlds of form - the physical, astral and mental.
The Agnichaitans are builders in our physical world and their work can visibly be seen in the growth of crystals and mineral forms. They are influenced through sound and can be guided by the adepts toward what is considered magical work. Their magical power is due to the fact the core of their essence is the originating point of fire which is linked by soul energy to the other two deva groups. This energy of fire is the power that creates the physical activity necessary to move creation forward.
We all have many Agnichaitans within our bodies. They can be influenced by the power of thought to build healthier more usable and long lasting bodies.
Definition by J J Dewey. Read over 4000 teachings at Freeread.com
Quotes from sources:
Agnichaitans The devas who construct and build in matter of the densest kind in connection with logoic manifestation. They function on the seventh subplane of the cosmic physical plane, and are the producers of the greatest concretion. In the planetary body of our planetary Logos, the agnichaitans are the builders of the earth, His densest form, and throughout the entire solar system they are the sumtotal of that activity and vibration which demonstrates what we call the "solid substance."
Definition from: http://souledout.org/souledoutglossary.html
"Chaitanya caitanya (Sanskrit) [from chit to perceive, understand, be conscious] Consciousness, intelligence; the cosmic intelligence, hence also the light of the Logos. All individual egos in the universe are rooted in cosmic chaitanya as their universal source, and become individualized for experience and work in the material realms by means of the karanopadhi. Chaitanya is thus the invisible essence of human intelligence, the cosmic root of monadic individuality, and the cosmic intelligence- force which is the intrinsic or essential consciousness behind and within individuality. As a proper name, a reformer of the Vaishnava sect in India (1485-1527), regarded in Bengal as an avatara of Krishna. One of his chief teachings was the duty of bhakti (attachment, devotion, or love) for Krishna so strong that no caste-feeling implying sectarian division could exist with it.
Chaitya caitya (Sanskrit) [from the verbal root chit to think, perceive] The individual soul; also a funeral monument or memorial, often containing the ashes of the deceased. Sometimes with Buddhists, a sacred building containing a revered image." - http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/etgloss/cha-chy.htm
Quotes on Agnichaitans from the Alice A Bailey books of the teachings of Djwhal Khul.
A group of fire devas
Initiation, Human and Solar Pg 216
...they are the builders of the etheric bodies of all sentient existences, and primarily of all the etheric bodies of men....they are the transmitters of prana.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire; Page 643
The Agnichaitans, a higher grade of fire spirit, who form a vortex of fire when viewed on a large scale, such as in volcanoes and large destructive burnings. They are closely allied to a still more important group of devas, who form the fiery envelope of the sun.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 68
He who transfers the Father's life to the lower three seeketh the agency of fire, hid in the heart of Mother. He worketh with the Agnichaitans, that hide, that burn, and thus produce the needed moisture.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 476
The Agnichaitans. These are the devas who construct, and build in matter of the densest kind in connection with logoic manifestation. They function on the seventh subplane of the cosmic physical plane, and are the producers of the greatest concretion. In the planetary body of our planetary Logos they are the builders of the Earth, His densest form, and throughout the entire solar system they are the sum-total of that activity and vibration [Page 634] which demonstrates through what we call "solid substance." Therefore, it will be apparent that under the law they will have a peculiarly powerful effect on the lowest subplane of the systemic physical plane; hence their esoteric appellation of the "Agnichaitans of the inner or central heat." They are the totality of the lowest vibration in the cosmic physical vehicle. The Agnisuryans are the builders on the sixth subplane of the cosmic physical plane, our systemic astral plane. They represent, as I have before hinted, the sympathetic nervous system in the logoic physical body, just as their brothers of the seventh vibration represent the sumtotal of the circulatory or blood system.
The Agnichaitans- Physical Plane Devas. These devas are the sumtotal of physical plane substance. This plane is, as we know, divided into two parts:
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 634-635
1. The Raja-Lord. Kshiti. The life of the physical plane. 2. Three groups of Agnichaitans concerned with: A. The force or energy of physical substance. That electrical aspect which produces activity. B. The construction of forms. They produce the union of negative and positive substance, and thus bring into being all that can be seen, and touched in the exoteric and ordinary connotation. C. The internal heat of substance which nourishes and causes reproduction. They form the purely mother aspect.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 636
Agnichaitans. In considering these groups of Agnichaitans, we must remember that we are dealing with that manifestation of the Logos with which exoteric science is dealing, and that as regards Group C, science is already making fair progress in the accumulation of knowledge; it remains yet for science to acknowledge the ""entified"" nature of substance,8, 9 and thus account for the life that energizes the substance of the three lower subplanes. This recognition by science that all forms are built of intelligent lives will come about when the science of magic begins again to come to the fore, and when the laws of being are better understood.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 640
The occult importance of the war man wages on the fire devas for instance is very real in connection with the fire department in any city. The time lies far ahead as yet, but it will surely come, when the personnel of these departments will be chosen for their ability to control the agnichaitans when manifesting destructively, and their methods will no longer be that of water (or the calling in of the water devas to neutralize the fire devas), but that of incantation, and a knowledge of the sounds that will swing into action forces which will control the fiery destructive elements.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire; Page 640
We have seen that the work of the lowest group of Agnichaitans is to build continents by fire, to purify by fire during alternate cycles, and to construct the metals and the minerals.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire; Page 641
"The kundalini fire in the logoic body is at the height of its activity in stimulating His physical body - our lower three systemic planes - and the four petals of that particular center are coming into full activity in this fourth round. It must be remembered that He is the sumtotal of all the centers in manifestation, and the aggregate of all the fires of kundalini in every department of nature. The trouble in our planet, and likewise the hope for our planet, lies in this very fact.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire; Page 649
During the summer months-as that great cycle comes around in different quarters of the earth-the fire devas, the fire elementals and those obscure entities the "agnichaitans" of the internal furnaces, come into greater activity, relapsing as the sun moves further away, into a less active condition.
Letters on Occult Meditation Pg 102
The time lies far ahead as yet, but it will surely come, when the personnel of these departments will be chosen for their ability to control the agnichaitans when manifesting destructively, and their methods will no longer be that of water (or the calling in of the water devas to neutralise the fire devas), but that of incantation, and a knowledge of the sounds that will swing into action forces which will control the fiery destructive elements. The third group of these devas is very definitely connected with the control of the Manu's department, and of the great devas associated with that department on this planet. Through their activity during certain cycles the entire surface of the Earth is changed through the medium of volcanic action; continents are raised and submerged; volcanoes are active or quiescent, and thus the world is purified by fire. In their own department these Agnichaitans are kept busy building the mineral forms through the agency of fire; they are the alchemists of the lower regions, and through contact with them, and through the knowledge of ""the words"" by which they are controlled, the future scientific alchemists (I use this expression in contradistinction to the idealistic alchemists of the past) will work with minerals and with the lives embodied in all mineral forms.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 638 (Note read to 657)
One of the great errors into which the human family has fallen has been the endeavor to administer mineral drugs to man for medicinal purposes. It has resulted in a combination of deva substances which was never intended.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire; Page 645
There is to be found in the very bowels of the earth, an evolution of a peculiar nature, with a close resemblance to the human. They have bodies of a peculiarly gross kind, which might be regarded as distinctly physical as we understand the term. They dwell in settlements, or groups, under a form of government suited to their needs in the central caves several miles below the crust of the earth. Their work is closely connected with the mineral kingdom, and the "agnichaitans" of the central fires are under their control. Their bodies are constituted so as to stand much pressure, and they are not dependent upon as free a circulation of air as man is, nor do they resent the great heat to be found in the earth's interior.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire; Page 891
The Agnichaitans; this is a term applied to the fiery lives, which are the sumtotal of the plane substance, as seen in the first part of our treatise, and also to the tiny essences which compose the fires of manifestation. As the nature of physical plane electricity is understood and studied, and its true condition realised, the reality of the existence of these agnichaitans will stand revealed.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 904
These agnichaitans of the third subplane come particularly under the influence of Saturnian energy. They are the great fusers of substance, and it is in connection with them that the transmutation of metals becomes possible. They have a relationship to the mineral kingdom analogous to that which the watery devas have to the vegetable and animal. They are, as will be apparent, connected with the throat centre of a planetary Logos and of a solar Logos, and it is through their activity that the transmission of sound through the air becomes possible. It might surprise students and inventors could they but realise that the present rapid growth of wireless communication everywhere is due to the swinging into contact with the human vibration of a group of fiery deva lives hitherto uncontacted.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 905
The work of the Mahachohan can also be seen in the effect that the devas of the kundalini fire are producing upon man. These are a peculiar group of Agnichaitans who have reached a stage of evolution which permits of their being separated off from their group into a group connected with a certain fire in man's bodies. This fire owing to its present activity, and the direction of that activity, is responsible for the reaction against physical marriage, and for the desire evinced by highly evolved men everywhere to evade the marriage relation, and confine themselves to creation upon the mental or astral planes. This is due to the present inclination of the manipulatory devas of the lower generative organs to seek the throat centre, and to function there, utilising the strength of the kundalini fire to bring this about.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 908
"One of the main interests in the future will be a tendency towards the elimination of noise, owing to the increased sensitiveness of the race. When the energy of water and of the atom is harnessed for the use of man, our present types of factories, our methods of navigation and of transportation, such as steamers and railway apparatus, will be entirely revolutionized. This will have a potent effect not only on man but on the devas.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire; Page 910
Secondly, the Agnichaitans, being allied to the ""fire devas"" of the mental plane, have much power, and can only be controlled properly by the solar Angel Himself.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 1025
Dan:At base, the agnichaitans appear to make up etheric "matter". The closest I can think of in semi-current scientific terms would be the "probability wave" that "collapses" when perceived by consciousness "into" what we then look upon as an "elementary particle" such as the electron.
Photons are expressed when "excited" electrons drop back down to a lower energy level (quantum), so maybe what constitutes the "etheric LIGHT" are photons or agnichaitans?
I find these two DK passages interesting in relationship to blood (corpuscles) as well - He says: "their [the Agnisuryans] brothers of the seventh vibration" which should be the agnichaitans and then he says they "represent the sumtotal of the circulatory or blood system". Here are the complete passages:
"The Agnisuryans are the builders on the sixth subplane of the cosmic physical plane, our systemic astral plane. They represent, as I have before hinted, the sympathetic nervous system in the logoic physical body, just as their brothers of the seventh vibration represent the sumtotal of the circulatory or blood system. A hint to the student who is interested in the physiological key lies in the relationship between the two great groups of devas who build and construct the most objective portion of logoic manifestation, and the two groups of corpuscles which in their mutual interaction hold the body in health;" - ATOCF, pg 635
and:
"All this is revealed to esotericists in the symbology of the circulatory system in man. As the blood system, with its two types of channels (arteries and veins) and its two types of builders (the red and the white corpuscles), is studied from the occult standpoint, much will be ascertained of a revolutionary nature." - ATOCF, pg 902
Ruth:Without reading all of that again, it seems that these devas are like the sum total packets of consciousness of the underground subhuman forms who build and work with the aspect of Earth and Fire, as in the lowest form from the chakra petal of Earth at the base chakra, these devas could also symbolize then the lower emotion of heat/anger in the Earth form, and the human form, perhaps via the solar plexus, and also may relate to the instinctual animal consciousness working through fire/heart in the animal kingdom and then on the higher scale of evolution these lower devas also have a conscious type of vibration or connection with the higher aspect of heat/fire of the Solar Logos and may represent one of his lower chakra petals which has unfolded in his body, but has not quite finished unfolding for the Lord of the Earth's body, because the connection between the lower spiritual consciousness and the higher spiritual consciousness has not yet synthesized.
There are the fire devas, the water devas, the air devas and the earth devas, hence the symbolism with Earth, Wind, Fire, Water.
Devas are like "packets of consciousness" in motion of time on the upward arc and build because they move to and from between the lower kingdoms/realms and upwards again, and this is how they can be contacted or uploaded and used either for higher spiritual purposes or the lower building devas can be used by the dark forces also, because these devas are consciousness in motion, then at the lower end of the scale their "intelligence" is directed differently because the mind aspect is not worked with, depending on which Lord of the Ray they work through or with.
Larry Woods defines,
The devas who function on the seventh subplane of the cosmic physical plane and who produce the greatest concretion or physical form. Agni (igneous – from Latin fire) + Chaitans (chit - from Sanskrit to perceive to be conscious)
References, __http://www.theosoci ety.org/pasadena /etgloss/ cha-chy.htm__
Initiation, Human and Solar Pg 216
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 68, 634-657, 476, 891, 904, 905, 908, 1025
Letters on Occult Meditation Pg 102
Then asks:
Questions and stuff:
So an English label for these guys might be "living fire" or "fire of life". The Agnisuryans fill a similar function but on the Sixth or Astral subplane creating the most concrete forms within the Astral plane. Do we access the Agnichaitans using strict order or ceremonial magic relating the Seventh Ray to the Seventh Plane? Similarly do we access the Agnisuryans by applying feeling or devotion to those ordered ceremonies?
I read about a guy (from the book, Francesso, one of my favorite all-the-way- death-experience books ever – I say all-the-way- death-experience as opposed to near-death-experien ce) who was learning from his master how to manipulate certain humanoid astral forms whose creation resulted from unknowing humans who infused ideas such as specifically directed anger or other powerful thought forms which create these one mission beings. They linger after completing their mission lasting longer before fading if the initial emotion which brought them was stronger. Some of them last many many years. This guy was practicing redirecting their impetus with his own purpose. He demonstrated this by making one of these walk up and tap a guy on the shoulder and deliver a practice message, "My master says, hello." We will learn on many diverse levels before our learning completes.
Ruth writes:
Here is a good symbolic key phrase to the overall understanding of these devas in the chakra system, macro and micro:
"They are the totality of the lowest vibration in the cosmic physical vehicle." DK
Or they are the totality of the lowest vibration through or as consciousness in the cosmic physical vehicle, the lowest being like the base chakra, the foundational life force or energy chakra of the cosmic physical vehicle and represented through the Seven Heavenly Men, and then the human form and Earth etc.
"The Agnisuryans are the builders on the sixth subplane of the cosmic physical plane, our systemic astral plane.'"DK
Which could correlate to the solar plexus in the micro to the human being and the Earth's body.
"They represent, as I have before hinted, the sympathetic nervous system in the logoic physical body, just as their brothers of the seventh vibration represent the sumtotal of the circulatory or blood system." DK
Because the brothers of the 7th works through the 7th ray and energies of the sacral chakra, I would assume on this basis, hence the ceremonial magic of the Soul, and the soul is represented via the blood within the human form, from what I remember reading, but I could have this mixed up a bit.
If one went further into the picturing of the chakra system of both the macro and micro and its petals which unfold, then it would seem that there are the sub-planes depending on which realm the chakra petal is unfolding, and its relationship with or to another higher realm.
Each agni deva has a different subname depending on the seven planes or Seven Heavenly Men (Sacred Planets) it represents.
Imagine contacting the lower lives or devas of one of our lower chakras petals as it unfolds, and being able to communicate. I would say that this holds within it the secret also on how the Masters can unfold their physical bodies from their permanent physical atom.
BTW there is a chart in the DK books which shows this in more detail called "The Egoic Lotus and the Centres".
Rob's questions with JJ's answers:
Quoting JJ
The Agnichaitans are builders in our physical world and their work can visibly be seen in the growth of crystals and mineral forms.
Rob:
How is it *they* are the builders? From what science tells us, our physical world is built upon atoms and molecules. These particles bond to other atoms and molecules based on electrical charge, compatible atomic configurations, and many other variables I don't have the knowledge to expand upon.
JJ
Science observes what happens when crystals are formed and they describe what they observe but they do not fully understand what causes that which they observe. Tiny lives that operate like complex computer programs guide the creation of all form whether it be a mineral, a plant or a human body.
Fire is at the heart of all life and the Agnichaitans work at the most intense point of all fires and build creatively with fire in the bowels of the earth.
Quoting JJ:
[The Agnichaitans] are influenced through sound and can be guided by the adepts toward what is considered magical work.
Rob:
Can you give an example of this "magical work" that is something science is unable to do with its knowledge of manipulation of atoms/molecules?
JJ
Spiritual healing involves the use of the Agnichaitans. When a yogi slows his heart rate and can make himself to appear lifeless he puts them to sleep. When we speak in every day life we will influence them to a small degree depending on the feeling and intent behind our words. Adepts on the Left and Right use words of power to direct them, but few of these are in any book.
Rob:
Would you please expand upon what "originating point of fire" means.
JJ
When you strike a match it does not light unless an originating point of fire is created. Once the match is lit this point of fire remains and will be the last point remaining when the match goes out.
This originating point is the life-giving heart of an Agnichaitan which incarnates into the fire. If an Adept can speak their language he could then control fire.
Rob:
Also, what is meant by "this energy of fire is the power that creates the physical activity necessary to move creation forward."
JJ
Nothing happens without motion and fire is merely very intense motion. The Agnichaitans are the power that causes motion on the physical plane. Motion that does not seem to be fire from our perspective is fire from a higher perspective that sees time from a different reference.
Rob:
How many Agnichaitans do we have in our physical body?
JJ
Countless numbers in different grades.
Rob:
Where inside us do they live?
JJ
They live in etheric matter. Ask yourself where electricity lives within you and you will have your answer.
Rob:
If I want a healthier, more usable and long-lasting body, I just eat right, take vitamins, and work-out. What is this process you speak of by which we can have the same thing by influencing these Devas with our thoughts? What are the steps of this process? How is this process different than what I currently do?
JJ
When you eat good food and take vitamins you are providing prana for the Agnichaitans that they will take to the fires in your body. You can also influence them positively with soothing sounds, music and speech. The sense of smell also drives them.
The Agnichaitans are strongly influenced by the higher devas of the
astral - the Agnisuryans, and the mental - the Agnishvattas.
Dan's post:
JJ:
Tiny lives that operate like complex computer programs guide the creation of all form whether it be a mineral, a plant or a human body.
Dan:
You're saying that these "tiny lives" are the Agnichaitans?
So, how does this relate in your teachings? In your last Immortal book where Joe zoomed into the carbon atom and "woke up" the tiny life and spoke to it - this was an Agnichaitan? And these have reached relative perfection on their own "level" and thus ONLY progress by sharing in the progressively higher consciousnesses that incarnate into the physical structure that they cooperatively build at each "level" of organization/ perfection?
So at a basic level, Agnichaitans once perfected themselves then came together into communities which provided a vehicle of manifestation for a higher lifeform to incarnate into which perfected itself .... repeat .... repeat ... until at some point you end up with what we refer to as atoms which do the same to eventually form molecules which perfect and form cells, tissues, organs, and eventually organisms until you end up with human bodies which we "higher lives" now incarnate into?
And now it is up to us to do the same - perfect ourselves and join together (organize) to build a body of manifestation (human molecule, then cell, and so on) useful enough that an even yet higher lifeform will be drawn to incarnate into it - ala the Molecular Relationship (Tree of Life) - __http://freeread. com/archives/ molecular. php?__
Or what? :-D
Archives:
"Audience: You said our soul is made of little life forms. If man is the soul of the universe what's the name of the little life forms in our soul? Are they devas?
JJ: They are tiny lives interplaying between spirit and matter. Everything in the microcosm has already reached the end of its evolution so they're almost like little computer programs where their consciousness is shifted up to us where we are the new creators allowing the lower to share consciousness with us. The soul between spirit and matter in us is an interplay of life forms through which the Solar Angel works. This is an actual being that has evolved on another solar system that has long passed away." - __http://freeread. com/archives/ 2923.php__
Archives:
"The physical universe also has a permanent atom with all the programming within it to create a new one better than the last. The last part of Book 4 of The Immortal illustrates this, but remember that this was a description of the physical plane and there are numerous higher planes, the next one up being the astral." - __http://freeread. com/archives/ 3428.php__
Agnichaitans
This is one of three closely related devas or builders. The other two are Agnisuryans and Agnishvattas. These create in the three worlds of form - the physical, astral and mental.The Agnichaitans are builders in our physical world and their work can visibly be seen in the growth of crystals and mineral forms. They are influenced through sound and can be guided by the adepts toward what is considered magical work. Their magical power is due to the fact the core of their essence is the originating point of fire which is linked by soul energy to the other two deva groups. This energy of fire is the power that creates the physical activity necessary to move creation forward.
We all have many Agnichaitans within our bodies. They can be influenced by the power of thought to build healthier more usable and long lasting bodies.
Definition by J J Dewey. Read over 4000 teachings at Freeread.com
Quotes from sources:
Agnichaitans The devas who construct and build in matter of the densest kind in connection with logoic manifestation. They function on the seventh subplane of the cosmic physical plane, and are the producers of the greatest concretion. In the planetary body of our planetary Logos, the agnichaitans are the builders of the earth, His densest form, and throughout the entire solar system they are the sumtotal of that activity and vibration which demonstrates what we call the "solid substance."
Definition from: http://souledout.org/souledoutglossary.html
"Chaitanya caitanya (Sanskrit) [from chit to perceive, understand, be conscious] Consciousness, intelligence; the cosmic intelligence, hence also the light of the Logos. All individual egos in the universe are rooted in cosmic chaitanya as their universal source, and become individualized for experience and work in the material realms by means of the karanopadhi. Chaitanya is thus the invisible essence of human intelligence, the cosmic root of monadic individuality, and the cosmic intelligence- force which is the intrinsic or essential consciousness behind and within individuality. As a proper name, a reformer of the Vaishnava sect in India (1485-1527), regarded in Bengal as an avatara of Krishna. One of his chief teachings was the duty of bhakti (attachment, devotion, or love) for Krishna so strong that no caste-feeling implying sectarian division could exist with it.
Chaitya caitya (Sanskrit) [from the verbal root chit to think, perceive] The individual soul; also a funeral monument or memorial, often containing the ashes of the deceased. Sometimes with Buddhists, a sacred building containing a revered image." -
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/etgloss/cha-chy.htm
Quotes on Agnichaitans from the Alice A Bailey books of the teachings of Djwhal Khul.
A group of fire devas
Initiation, Human and Solar Pg 216
...they are the builders of the etheric bodies of all sentient existences, and primarily of all the etheric bodies of men....they are the transmitters of prana.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire; Page 643
The Agnichaitans, a higher grade of fire spirit, who form a vortex of fire when viewed on a large scale, such as in volcanoes and large destructive burnings. They are closely allied to a still more important group of devas, who form the fiery envelope of the sun.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 68
He who transfers the Father's life to the lower three seeketh the agency of fire, hid in the heart of Mother. He worketh with the Agnichaitans, that hide, that burn, and thus produce the needed moisture.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 476
The Agnichaitans. These are the devas who construct, and build in matter of the densest kind in connection with logoic manifestation. They function on the seventh subplane of the cosmic physical plane, and are the producers of the greatest concretion. In the planetary body of our planetary Logos they are the builders of the Earth, His densest form, and throughout the entire solar system they are the sum-total of that activity and vibration [Page 634] which demonstrates through what we call "solid substance." Therefore, it will be apparent that under the law they will have a peculiarly powerful effect on the lowest subplane of the systemic physical plane; hence their esoteric appellation of the "Agnichaitans of the inner or central heat." They are the totality of the lowest vibration in the cosmic physical vehicle. The Agnisuryans are the builders on the sixth subplane of the cosmic physical plane, our systemic astral plane. They represent, as I have before hinted, the sympathetic nervous system in the logoic physical body, just as their brothers of the seventh vibration represent the sumtotal of the circulatory or blood system.
The Agnichaitans- Physical Plane Devas. These devas are the sumtotal of physical plane substance. This plane is, as we know, divided into two parts:
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 634-635
1. The Raja-Lord. Kshiti. The life of the physical plane. 2. Three groups of Agnichaitans concerned with: A. The force or energy of physical substance. That electrical aspect which produces activity. B. The construction of forms. They produce the union of negative and positive substance, and thus bring into being all that can be seen, and touched in the exoteric and ordinary connotation. C. The internal heat of substance which nourishes and causes reproduction. They form the purely mother aspect.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 636
Agnichaitans. In considering these groups of Agnichaitans, we must remember that we are dealing with that manifestation of the Logos with which exoteric science is dealing, and that as regards Group C, science is already making fair progress in the accumulation of knowledge; it remains yet for science to acknowledge the ""entified"" nature of substance,8, 9 and thus account for the life that energizes the substance of the three lower subplanes. This recognition by science that all forms are built of intelligent lives will come about when the science of magic begins again to come to the fore, and when the laws of being are better understood.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 640
The occult importance of the war man wages on the fire devas for instance is very real in connection with the fire department in any city. The time lies far ahead as yet, but it will surely come, when the personnel of these departments will be chosen for their ability to control the agnichaitans when manifesting destructively, and their methods will no longer be that of water (or the calling in of the water devas to neutralize the fire devas), but that of incantation, and a knowledge of the sounds that will swing into action forces which will control the fiery destructive elements.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire; Page 640
We have seen that the work of the lowest group of Agnichaitans is to build continents by fire, to purify by fire during alternate cycles, and to construct the metals and the minerals.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire; Page 641
"The kundalini fire in the logoic body is at the height of its activity in stimulating His physical body - our lower three systemic planes - and the four petals of that particular center are coming into full activity in this fourth round. It must be remembered that He is the sumtotal of all the centers in manifestation, and the aggregate of all the fires of kundalini in every department of nature. The trouble in our planet, and likewise the hope for our planet, lies in this very fact.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire; Page 649
During the summer months-as that great cycle comes around in different quarters of the earth-the fire devas, the fire elementals and those obscure entities the "agnichaitans" of the internal furnaces, come into greater activity, relapsing as the sun moves further away, into a less active condition.
Letters on Occult Meditation Pg 102
The time lies far ahead as yet, but it will surely come, when the personnel of these departments will be chosen for their ability to control the agnichaitans when manifesting destructively, and their methods will no longer be that of water (or the calling in of the water devas to neutralise the fire devas), but that of incantation, and a knowledge of the sounds that will swing into action forces which will control the fiery destructive elements. The third group of these devas is very definitely connected with the control of the Manu's department, and of the great devas associated with that department on this planet. Through their activity during certain cycles the entire surface of the Earth is changed through the medium of volcanic action; continents are raised and submerged; volcanoes are active or quiescent, and thus the world is purified by fire. In their own department these Agnichaitans are kept busy building the mineral forms through the agency of fire; they are the alchemists of the lower regions, and through contact with them, and through the knowledge of ""the words"" by which they are controlled, the future scientific alchemists (I use this expression in contradistinction to the idealistic alchemists of the past) will work with minerals and with the lives embodied in all mineral forms.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 638 (Note read to 657)
One of the great errors into which the human family has fallen has been the endeavor to administer mineral drugs to man for medicinal purposes. It has resulted in a combination of deva substances which was never intended.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire; Page 645
There is to be found in the very bowels of the earth, an evolution of a peculiar nature, with a close resemblance to the human. They have bodies of a peculiarly gross kind, which might be regarded as distinctly physical as we understand the term. They dwell in settlements, or groups, under a form of government suited to their needs in the central caves several miles below the crust of the earth. Their work is closely connected with the mineral kingdom, and the "agnichaitans" of the central fires are under their control. Their bodies are constituted so as to stand much pressure, and they are not dependent upon as free a circulation of air as man is, nor do they resent the great heat to be found in the earth's interior.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire; Page 891
The Agnichaitans; this is a term applied to the fiery lives, which are the sumtotal of the plane substance, as seen in the first part of our treatise, and also to the tiny essences which compose the fires of manifestation. As the nature of physical plane electricity is understood and studied, and its true condition realised, the reality of the existence of these agnichaitans will stand revealed.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 904
These agnichaitans of the third subplane come particularly under the influence of Saturnian energy. They are the great fusers of substance, and it is in connection with them that the transmutation of metals becomes possible. They have a relationship to the mineral kingdom analogous to that which the watery devas have to the vegetable and animal. They are, as will be apparent, connected with the throat centre of a planetary Logos and of a solar Logos, and it is through their activity that the transmission of sound through the air becomes possible. It might surprise students and inventors could they but realise that the present rapid growth of wireless communication everywhere is due to the swinging into contact with the human vibration of a group of fiery deva lives hitherto uncontacted.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 905
The work of the Mahachohan can also be seen in the effect that the devas of the kundalini fire are producing upon man. These are a peculiar group of Agnichaitans who have reached a stage of evolution which permits of their being separated off from their group into a group connected with a certain fire in man's bodies. This fire owing to its present activity, and the direction of that activity, is responsible for the reaction against physical marriage, and for the desire evinced by highly evolved men everywhere to evade the marriage relation, and confine themselves to creation upon the mental or astral planes. This is due to the present inclination of the manipulatory devas of the lower generative organs to seek the throat centre, and to function there, utilising the strength of the kundalini fire to bring this about.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 908
"One of the main interests in the future will be a tendency towards the elimination of noise, owing to the increased sensitiveness of the race. When the energy of water and of the atom is harnessed for the use of man, our present types of factories, our methods of navigation and of transportation, such as steamers and railway apparatus, will be entirely revolutionized. This will have a potent effect not only on man but on the devas.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire; Page 910
Secondly, the Agnichaitans, being allied to the ""fire devas"" of the mental plane, have much power, and can only be controlled properly by the solar Angel Himself.
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 1025
Dan:At base, the agnichaitans appear to make up etheric "matter". The closest I can think of in semi-current scientific terms would be the "probability wave" that "collapses" when perceived by consciousness "into" what we then look upon as an "elementary particle" such as the electron.
Photons are expressed when "excited" electrons drop back down to a lower energy level (quantum), so maybe what constitutes the "etheric LIGHT" are photons or agnichaitans?
I find these two DK passages interesting in relationship to blood (corpuscles) as well - He says: "their [the Agnisuryans] brothers of the seventh vibration" which should be the agnichaitans and then he says they "represent the sumtotal of the circulatory or blood system". Here are the complete passages:
"The Agnisuryans are the builders on the sixth subplane of the cosmic physical plane, our systemic astral plane. They represent, as I have before hinted, the sympathetic nervous system in the logoic physical body, just as their brothers of the seventh vibration represent the sumtotal of the circulatory or blood system. A hint to the student who is interested in the physiological key lies in the relationship between the two great groups of devas who build and construct the most objective portion of logoic manifestation, and the two groups of corpuscles which in their mutual interaction hold the body in health;" - ATOCF, pg 635
and:
"All this is revealed to esotericists in the symbology of the circulatory system in man. As the blood system, with its two types of channels (arteries and veins) and its two types of builders (the red and the white corpuscles), is studied from the occult standpoint, much will be ascertained of a revolutionary nature." - ATOCF, pg 902
Ruth:Without reading all of that again, it seems that these devas are like the sum total packets of consciousness of the underground subhuman forms who build and work with the aspect of Earth and Fire, as in the lowest form from the chakra petal of Earth at the base chakra, these devas could also symbolize then the lower emotion of heat/anger in the Earth form, and the human form, perhaps via the solar plexus, and also may relate to the instinctual animal consciousness working through fire/heart in the animal kingdom and then on the higher scale of evolution these lower devas also have a conscious type of vibration or connection with the higher aspect of heat/fire of the Solar Logos and may represent one of his lower chakra petals which has unfolded in his body, but has not quite finished unfolding for the Lord of the Earth's body, because the connection between the lower spiritual consciousness and the higher spiritual consciousness has not yet synthesized.
There are the fire devas, the water devas, the air devas and the earth devas, hence the symbolism with Earth, Wind, Fire, Water.
Devas are like "packets of consciousness" in motion of time on the upward arc and build because they move to and from between the lower kingdoms/realms and upwards again, and this is how they can be contacted or uploaded and used either for higher spiritual purposes or the lower building devas can be used by the dark forces also, because these devas are consciousness in motion, then at the lower end of the scale their "intelligence" is directed differently because the mind aspect is not worked with, depending on which Lord of the Ray they work through or with.
Larry Woods defines,
The devas who function on the seventh subplane of the cosmic physical plane and who produce the greatest concretion or physical form. Agni (igneous – from Latin fire) + Chaitans (chit - from Sanskrit to perceive to be conscious)
References,
__http://www.theosoci ety.org/pasadena /etgloss/ cha-chy.htm__
Initiation, Human and Solar Pg 216
Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 68, 634-657, 476, 891, 904, 905, 908, 1025
Letters on Occult Meditation Pg 102
Then asks:
Questions and stuff:
So an English label for these guys might be "living fire" or "fire of life". The Agnisuryans fill a similar function but on the Sixth or Astral subplane creating the most concrete forms within the Astral plane. Do we access the Agnichaitans using strict order or ceremonial magic relating the Seventh Ray to the Seventh Plane? Similarly do we access the Agnisuryans by applying feeling or devotion to those ordered ceremonies?
I read about a guy (from the book, Francesso, one of my favorite all-the-way- death-experience books ever – I say all-the-way- death-experience as opposed to near-death-experien ce) who was learning from his master how to manipulate certain humanoid astral forms whose creation resulted from unknowing humans who infused ideas such as specifically directed anger or other powerful thought forms which create these one mission beings. They linger after completing their mission lasting longer before fading if the initial emotion which brought them was stronger. Some of them last many many years. This guy was practicing redirecting their impetus with his own purpose. He demonstrated this by making one of these walk up and tap a guy on the shoulder and deliver a practice message, "My master says, hello." We will learn on many diverse levels before our learning completes.
Ruth writes:
Here is a good symbolic key phrase to the overall understanding of these devas in the chakra system, macro and micro:
"They are the totality of the lowest vibration in the cosmic physical vehicle." DK
Or they are the totality of the lowest vibration through or as consciousness in the cosmic physical vehicle, the lowest being like the base chakra, the foundational life force or energy chakra of the cosmic physical vehicle and represented through the Seven Heavenly Men, and then the human form and Earth etc.
"The Agnisuryans are the builders on the sixth subplane of the cosmic physical plane, our systemic astral plane.'"DK
Which could correlate to the solar plexus in the micro to the human being and the Earth's body.
"They represent, as I have before hinted, the sympathetic nervous system in the logoic physical body, just as their brothers of the seventh vibration represent the sumtotal of the circulatory or blood system." DK
Because the brothers of the 7th works through the 7th ray and energies of the sacral chakra, I would assume on this basis, hence the ceremonial magic of the Soul, and the soul is represented via the blood within the human form, from what I remember reading, but I could have this mixed up a bit.
If one went further into the picturing of the chakra system of both the macro and micro and its petals which unfold, then it would seem that there are the sub-planes depending on which realm the chakra petal is unfolding, and its relationship with or to another higher realm.
Each agni deva has a different subname depending on the seven planes or Seven Heavenly Men (Sacred Planets) it represents.
Imagine contacting the lower lives or devas of one of our lower chakras petals as it unfolds, and being able to communicate. I would say that this holds within it the secret also on how the Masters can unfold their physical bodies from their permanent physical atom.
BTW there is a chart in the DK books which shows this in more detail called "The Egoic Lotus and the Centres".
Rob's questions with JJ's answers:
Quoting JJ
The Agnichaitans are builders in our physical world and their work can visibly be seen in the growth of crystals and mineral forms.
Rob:
How is it *they* are the builders? From what science tells us, our physical world is built upon atoms and molecules. These particles bond to other atoms and molecules based on electrical charge, compatible atomic configurations, and many other variables I don't have the knowledge to expand upon.
JJ
Science observes what happens when crystals are formed and they describe what they observe but they do not fully understand what causes that which they observe. Tiny lives that operate like complex computer programs guide the creation of all form whether it be a mineral, a plant or a human body.
Fire is at the heart of all life and the Agnichaitans work at the most intense point of all fires and build creatively with fire in the bowels of the earth.
Quoting JJ:
[The Agnichaitans] are influenced through sound and can be guided by the adepts toward what is considered magical work.
Rob:
Can you give an example of this "magical work" that is something science is unable to do with its knowledge of manipulation of atoms/molecules?
JJ
Spiritual healing involves the use of the Agnichaitans. When a yogi slows his heart rate and can make himself to appear lifeless he puts them to sleep. When we speak in every day life we will influence them to a small degree depending on the feeling and intent behind our words. Adepts on the Left and Right use words of power to direct them, but few of these are in any book.
Rob:
Would you please expand upon what "originating point of fire" means.
JJ
When you strike a match it does not light unless an originating point of fire is created. Once the match is lit this point of fire remains and will be the last point remaining when the match goes out.
This originating point is the life-giving heart of an Agnichaitan which incarnates into the fire. If an Adept can speak their language he could then control fire.
Rob:
Also, what is meant by "this energy of fire is the power that creates the physical activity necessary to move creation forward."
JJ
Nothing happens without motion and fire is merely very intense motion. The Agnichaitans are the power that causes motion on the physical plane. Motion that does not seem to be fire from our perspective is fire from a higher perspective that sees time from a different reference.
Rob:
How many Agnichaitans do we have in our physical body?
JJ
Countless numbers in different grades.
Rob:
Where inside us do they live?
JJ
They live in etheric matter. Ask yourself where electricity lives within you and you will have your answer.
Rob:
If I want a healthier, more usable and long-lasting body, I just eat right, take vitamins, and work-out. What is this process you speak of by which we can have the same thing by influencing these Devas with our thoughts? What are the steps of this process? How is this process different than what I currently do?
JJ
When you eat good food and take vitamins you are providing prana for the Agnichaitans that they will take to the fires in your body. You can also influence them positively with soothing sounds, music and speech. The sense of smell also drives them.
The Agnichaitans are strongly influenced by the higher devas of the
astral - the Agnisuryans, and the mental - the Agnishvattas.
Dan's post:
JJ:
Tiny lives that operate like complex computer programs guide the creation of all form whether it be a mineral, a plant or a human body.
Dan:
You're saying that these "tiny lives" are the Agnichaitans?
So, how does this relate in your teachings? In your last Immortal book where Joe zoomed into the carbon atom and "woke up" the tiny life and spoke to it - this was an Agnichaitan? And these have reached relative perfection on their own "level" and thus ONLY progress by sharing in the progressively higher consciousnesses that incarnate into the physical structure that they cooperatively build at each "level" of organization/ perfection?
So at a basic level, Agnichaitans once perfected themselves then came together into communities which provided a vehicle of manifestation for a higher lifeform to incarnate into which perfected itself .... repeat .... repeat ... until at some point you end up with what we refer to as atoms which do the same to eventually form molecules which perfect and form cells, tissues, organs, and eventually organisms until you end up with human bodies which we "higher lives" now incarnate into?
And now it is up to us to do the same - perfect ourselves and join together (organize) to build a body of manifestation (human molecule, then cell, and so on) useful enough that an even yet higher lifeform will be drawn to incarnate into it - ala the Molecular Relationship (Tree of Life) - __http://freeread. com/archives/ molecular. php?__
Or what? :-D
Archives:
"Audience: You said our soul is made of little life forms. If man is the soul of the universe what's the name of the little life forms in our soul? Are they devas?
JJ: They are tiny lives interplaying between spirit and matter. Everything in the microcosm has already reached the end of its evolution so they're almost like little computer programs where their consciousness is shifted up to us where we are the new creators allowing the lower to share consciousness with us. The soul between spirit and matter in us is an interplay of life forms through which the Solar Angel works. This is an actual being that has evolved on another solar system that has long passed away." - __http://freeread. com/archives/ 2923.php__
Archives:
"The physical universe also has a permanent atom with all the programming within it to create a new one better than the last. The last part of Book 4 of The Immortal illustrates this, but remember that this was a description of the physical plane and there are numerous higher planes, the next one up being the astral." - __http://freeread. com/archives/ 3428.php__